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PekkaL

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Oscar buzz for Winter? How?!?
« on: November 30, 2009, 04:20:23 PM »
On the front page it says that the song Winter, featured in the Jim Sheridan film Brothers, is generating Oscar buzz, but how is this even possible?

The Academy Award rules clearly state that "An original song consists of words and music, both of which are original and written specifically for the motion picture" and "The work must be recorded for use in the motion picture prior to any other usage, including public performance or exploitation through any media whatsoever."

Thus, Winter should by no means be eligible. It wasn't written specifically for the film, and has already been released elsewhere.

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Re: Oscar buzz for Winter? How?!?
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2009, 05:39:47 PM »
I don't think the song is strong enough personally.

They might have left it off on purpose for the film.

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Re: Oscar buzz for Winter? How?!?
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2009, 05:56:00 PM »
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U2’s “Winter” did indeed show up on Anton Corbijn’s “Linear,” a short film that accompanied the album “No Line on the Horizon” (which the band is touring vigorously across the US right now).  But I’m told the song was, in fact, written specifically for Jim Sheridan’s “Brothers” and that it will indeed be eligible for consideration in the Best Original Song category.

The film has been completed for quite some time, mind you.  It took a while for it to secure distribution (though I have no idea why — it’s a fine film).  MGM picked it up maybe a year ago, and over the summer, Lionsgate bought the film in a three-picture distribution deal.  So just because “No Line on the Horizon” has been in stores for a number of months doesn’t mean “Winter” (which isn’t an official track inclusion on the album, by the way) wasn’t conceived far in advance of its release.

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PekkaL

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Re: Oscar buzz for Winter? How?!?
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2009, 06:11:02 PM »
OK, very interesting... Thanks for clearing it up.

To this day I also thought that Bruce Springsteen's "The Wrestler" was disqualified last year because he put the song on his new album, but that seems to have been only a rumour.

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Re: Oscar buzz for Winter? How?!?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2009, 09:55:33 PM »
If I remember correctly Until the End of the World had the same situation...

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Re: Oscar buzz for Winter? How?!?
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2009, 10:35:25 PM »
Thanks Brad for the heads up about the new version of Winter!! Totally different mix as well as some new lyrics. I can't wait to get the DVD since I'll probably not see the movie. It's a great song.

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Re: Oscar buzz for Winter? How?!?
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2009, 12:49:04 AM »
So what's taking so long on the transcript of the new lyrics? Huh?  ;)

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Re: Oscar buzz for Winter? How?!?
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2009, 01:26:47 AM »
BTW, that U2.com article really makes it sound like a soundtrack album is still in the works. It wouldn't be the first time a film has had a score and a soundtrack album released separately.

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...take a listen to a new U2 track 'Winter' - from the movie soundtrack... The soundtrack also features another U2 song, 'Bad'...

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Re: Oscar buzz for Winter? How?!?
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2009, 12:49:29 AM »
I remember reading that Brian Eno thought they were fools to leave Winter off the finished album, but if it was made specifically for the film they might have done it on purpose to keep the Oscar nomination possible.

If the film's been finished for a while, I wonder if the version of Winter in it is a new mix or if it's actually an early mix, before the version from Linear. Not that I care enough to look up the dates production started and ended for either film.

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Re: Oscar buzz for Winter? How?!?
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2009, 01:29:25 PM »
Listening to the stream on U2.com, it seems pretty clear to me that the version of the song on Linear was a very early cut of the track. The movie version seems, from what little bit i could hear, much more polished...especially lyrically. Not saying that that's a good or bad thing, mind you (i personally like both versions very much...i'll have to wait to hear the completed soundtrack mix before i'm really ready to either defend or vilify it). I thought one of the great things about the Linear version was how the rawness of the vocal and the lyrics played against what could be described as the uber-produced sound of the music (prominent strings, big sweeping chorus, etc) but i'm also pleased with the way the music in the soundtrack version establishes a more contemplative mood. One more comment i feel compelled to make, concerning the song, but not really it's Oscar contention or the differences between the two versions...i find it interesting that people are praising Coldplay left and right, they're the next U2, this and that, but when Linear first came out, everyone was slamming this song because "it sounds like Coldplay". Frankly, i heard a grandness in that cut of the song that Coldplay has never approached, but i find the double standard curious. I absolutely would defy anyone to listen to this song and then listen to Coldplay and say that the former directly "ripped off" the latter, so i don't feel that criticisms of unoriginality are fair at all, and good music is good music, regardless of who writes or performs it. This brings me back to something that's been a growing concern for several years now, but has really become alarming in the last couple. Why the stigma against U2? Any thoughts? This probably should be it's own thread, so i apologize if i annoy anyone...just following my train of thought here.

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Re: Oscar buzz for Winter? How?!?
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2009, 08:16:15 PM »
I absolutely would defy anyone to listen to this song and then listen to Coldplay and say that the former directly "ripped off" the latter, so i don't feel that criticisms of unoriginality are fair at all, and good music is good music, regardless of who writes or performs it.

Good music should be considered good music regardless of who did it.
I never really thought Coldplay sounded anything like U2, though I know that they had a U2 poster in the studio as encouragement to push themselves when recording X&Y.
I think Coldplay sounds a lot more, not uber-produced, but like a lot more of the song came in production than writing or performing.
The specific Coldplay-esque sound I hear in Winter is the canned strings in the opening, they have a particularly similar rhythm and melody to the strings in Viva la Vida.

Why the stigma against U2? Any thoughts?

Oh, plenty of reasons. Some people specifically dislike Bono, either because they think his humanitarian efforts are somehow not his business, because his stage presence and performance style are kind of in-your-face and weird, or because the combination of the two feels like he's demanding their attention for a cause they don't want to be bothered with.

Also, the "popular" rock music these days has a distinct sound that U2 doesn't come near. Personally, I think that's to their benefit; rock and roll has, for the most part, become really bland in the last few years.

Some would just say U2 is too old to bother trying to stay current, though that's less often a reason people dislike U2 and more a reason people give for why they're "not as good" as the mainstream.

And some people just didn't like the last album, the last two albums, the last four albums, etc.

My friends tease me a little for being so obsessed with U2, but one day one of them told me someone in their dorm was playing ATYCLB and it reminded him that U2 is actually good.

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Re: Oscar buzz for Winter? How?!?
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2009, 04:45:08 PM »
Just saw "Brothers" and of course stayed through the end credits to hear the new version of Winter.

Musically, I like the Linear version a lot better.  The synth strings are gone from the Brothers version and replaced by an orchestra and a lot of "Hollywood" type sounds.  I'd compare it to the difference between the Best Of version of Hands That Built America and the Gangs of New York version.

Lyrically, I noticed lots of new lines, especially at the end when Bono sings an entirely new verse about "coming home," which relates specifically to the movie.  I'd have to hear the new version a few more times in order to decide which lyrics are better.

Bottom line: the Linear version is more synthy and Eno-esque, the new version sounds like several Hollywood music types had a hand in the production and as a result is less spontaneous and exciting, IMO.  There are pros and cons to both, I suppose, but I prefer the former version.  (I say "version" and not "mix" because it's pretty clear that the Brothers version is a total re-recording, including the vocals, not a remix.)

Oh, and as for an official soundtrack CD, I don't know.  Aside from "Bad" and "Winter," there are very few songs in the movie, certainly not enough to fill a soundtrack album.  Unless they filled it up with "songs inspired by the movie," etc.

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Re: Oscar buzz for Winter? How?!?
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2009, 05:05:50 PM »
I agree 100%...I find Edge's guitars in the "Linear" version far more eerie, melancholy and captivating...the "Brothers" version is no slouch, but much more (over)produced and (over)polished.

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Re: Oscar buzz for Winter? How?!?
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2009, 06:37:19 PM »

slaneman

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Re: Oscar buzz for Winter? How?!?
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2009, 07:28:08 PM »
 ;) That's a bit clearer than the other ...