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Discography & Releases / Re: Lady With The Spinning Head
« Last post by Aaron on February 15, 2019, 06:02:51 AM »
In U2 by U2 The Edge mentions it went on to be developed into Zoo Station, The Fly and Ultra Violet. He mentioned Zoo Station was a version of it that was taken in a more industrial direction. Havenít seen the video you refer to sorry...
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Discography & Releases / Lady With The Spinning Head
« Last post by u2hmtmkmkm on February 15, 2019, 05:02:16 AM »
Hi all,

Random post, but one that I've been thinking about for a while now.

I recently read that Lady With The Spinning Head led to, or was composed of The Fly, One and Ultraviolet. I tried to find a description (or video) that illustrates how the parts became the sum (or vice versa). I can only hear Ultraviolet in the chorus when I listen to the song - I can't make out any other parts from other songs.

There was at one point a video that did illustrate it, as I've seen it embedded in forums that I've discovered by Googling, but it's been taken off YouTube - does anyone have that video or know where I'd be able to find a description or something similar? It's only a small thing, but I'd be interested in seeing or hearing what I'm missing, for curiosity's sake.

Thank you!
Joe
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Discography & Releases / Re: Known Fakes in Circulation.
« Last post by Aaron on February 08, 2019, 11:43:14 AM »
I think the problem with eBay is that it is very difficult to police unless you have an in-depth knowledge of the releases themselves. Add to that that the fact eBay are taking a hefty cut, they have no real desire to act. I've alerted UM UK to Terry McGinty and a few other main offenders.

The bottom line is, unfortunately, that eBay is no longer a viable place for collectors to buy U2 material. Given that we all know this, that eBay knows this, that UM knows this and that U2 knows this then it is very surprising that nothing gets done. EIL are sheep-shearers, record fairs are hit and miss and some of the old and trusted dealers are at the forefront of the cardsleeve knock-off influx.

Fans should take it in-house. I have mentioned a few times that a well-organised, U2 and related acts -only physical-item trading site is a viable option. Clearly there are fans with money seeking genuine opportunities. I'm always willing to time, resources and what little wit I have to any group willing to help launch it.

I would be so up for this!

There's a number of those on the go right now.  I can point out a few when I get a chance. There's also another project that hasn't launched yet that will cover some of this...
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Discography & Releases / Re: Known Fakes in Circulation.
« Last post by Anam on February 08, 2019, 04:48:02 AM »
In mind's eye it's like Discogs, where individual sellers list and sell items, but where there is oversight and the ability to deal with abusers. Any ground-floor staff would need to include someone with the tech nous to achieve that, good working knowledge of the catalogue and lots of time. I'd be happy to devote time needed to do any admin and legwork, limited capital and a significant amount of stock to get the ball rolling, but technically I wouldn't know where to start. Plus, it would need a good shove across the community to take on eBay as an alternative.
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Discography & Releases / Re: Known Fakes in Circulation.
« Last post by morgan1098 on February 07, 2019, 09:30:35 PM »
I think the problem with eBay is that it is very difficult to police unless you have an in-depth knowledge of the releases themselves. Add to that that the fact eBay are taking a hefty cut, they have no real desire to act. I've alerted UM UK to Terry McGinty and a few other main offenders.

The bottom line is, unfortunately, that eBay is no longer a viable place for collectors to buy U2 material. Given that we all know this, that eBay knows this, that UM knows this and that U2 knows this then it is very surprising that nothing gets done. EIL are sheep-shearers, record fairs are hit and miss and some of the old and trusted dealers are at the forefront of the cardsleeve knock-off influx.

Fans should take it in-house. I have mentioned a few times that a well-organised, U2 and related acts -only physical-item trading site is a viable option. Clearly there are fans with money seeking genuine opportunities. I'm always willing to time, resources and what little wit I have to any group willing to help launch it.

I would be so up for this!
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Discography & Releases / Re: Known Fakes in Circulation.
« Last post by Aaron on February 07, 2019, 09:04:04 AM »

I do have some answers on this one...

En Vivo was the first of these, produced to promote the sale of "All That You Can't Leave Behind" in a certain chain, and the artwork was specifically prepared for this one by U2's design team in Ireland.  The release was given away when you bought the new album, and it was a bonus to get people into stores.  Very similar to what has been done in Mexico a number of times. The official version is the one with the shiny background of the CD showing through on the print, and not the more recent fake that is showing up with white paint for lettering...

The other two are also legitimate releases from Universal, but were produced at a local level. Both were used in the same manner, given away in certain shops when you buy the album.  The "Versionnes Acusticas" is particularly bad as it was an audio rip of the DVD audio which resulted in a horrible sounding audio. The "Magnificent" one was everywhere so I expect it was given away without an album purchase.

The reason I mention the Mexican ones, is they've also done a number of these 'one off' style promos over the years. Universal is 100% behind these, and they are official.  The one that always comes to mind is the Exclusive CD ROM Compilation...https://www.u2songs.com/discography/u2_exclusive_cd_rom_compilation_promotional_release - 100% legit but pretty low production values.  I know some of the people involved in that compilation and some of the other Mexican ones, and like the later Colombian ones, they are put out by Universal, but are done on the local level with approval but little input from anyone outside of the local offices.

Thanks a lot, Aaron. Really appreciate all the info. Still down in the priorities' list, but at least it's there!

It sounds awful.  :)
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Discography & Releases / Re: Known Fakes in Circulation.
« Last post by PatrickM on February 07, 2019, 08:35:47 AM »

I do have some answers on this one...

En Vivo was the first of these, produced to promote the sale of "All That You Can't Leave Behind" in a certain chain, and the artwork was specifically prepared for this one by U2's design team in Ireland.  The release was given away when you bought the new album, and it was a bonus to get people into stores.  Very similar to what has been done in Mexico a number of times. The official version is the one with the shiny background of the CD showing through on the print, and not the more recent fake that is showing up with white paint for lettering...

The other two are also legitimate releases from Universal, but were produced at a local level. Both were used in the same manner, given away in certain shops when you buy the album.  The "Versionnes Acusticas" is particularly bad as it was an audio rip of the DVD audio which resulted in a horrible sounding audio. The "Magnificent" one was everywhere so I expect it was given away without an album purchase.

The reason I mention the Mexican ones, is they've also done a number of these 'one off' style promos over the years. Universal is 100% behind these, and they are official.  The one that always comes to mind is the Exclusive CD ROM Compilation...https://www.u2songs.com/discography/u2_exclusive_cd_rom_compilation_promotional_release - 100% legit but pretty low production values.  I know some of the people involved in that compilation and some of the other Mexican ones, and like the later Colombian ones, they are put out by Universal, but are done on the local level with approval but little input from anyone outside of the local offices.

Thanks a lot, Aaron. Really appreciate all the info. Still down in the priorities' list, but at least it's there!
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Discography & Releases / Re: Aaron's Discography notes.
« Last post by Anam on February 07, 2019, 07:56:26 AM »
Definitely not boring, Aaron. I'm a fan, as you know. I spend a lot of time trawling through old Irish rock records from the 1980s & 1990s and so much information gets lost. Release dates of #1 albums. The dates of Rory Gallagher's last Cork gigs. Setlists - even by U2 - gone. And even REM. There was a site much like this - svs - that catalogued their work. Gone. Important and appreciated work Aaron, even all those seconds of silence and Belgian comps!
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Discography & Releases / Re: Known Fakes in Circulation.
« Last post by Anam on February 07, 2019, 07:49:13 AM »
I think the problem with eBay is that it is very difficult to police unless you have an in-depth knowledge of the releases themselves. Add to that that the fact eBay are taking a hefty cut, they have no real desire to act. I've alerted UM UK to Terry McGinty and a few other main offenders.

The bottom line is, unfortunately, that eBay is no longer a viable place for collectors to buy U2 material. Given that we all know this, that eBay knows this, that UM knows this and that U2 knows this then it is very surprising that nothing gets done. EIL are sheep-shearers, record fairs are hit and miss and some of the old and trusted dealers are at the forefront of the cardsleeve knock-off influx.

Fans should take it in-house. I have mentioned a few times that a well-organised, U2 and related acts -only physical-item trading site is a viable option. Clearly there are fans with money seeking genuine opportunities. I'm always willing to time, resources and what little wit I have to any group willing to help launch it.
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Discography & Releases / Re: Known Fakes in Circulation.
« Last post by morgan1098 on February 06, 2019, 06:53:14 PM »
I've been seeing a lot of these sets on ebay lately. They seem to be based on the Italian magazine CDs from a couple years ago. Even as bootlegs, $67 for the entire U2 catalogue ain't bad.  :)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/U2-The-Complete-Edition-1976-2018-Box-22-CD-U-S-Made-shipped-New-Sealed/263827634570?_trkparms=aid%3D777001%26algo%3DDISCO.FEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160801204525%26meid%3De52c7ffdb2814f09a4e1d4e244892944%26pid%3D100651%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26%26itm%3D263827634570&_trksid=p2481888.c100651.m4497&_trkparms=pageci%3Ab76e8746-29c9-11e9-9f47-74dbd180c803%7Cparentrq%3Ac11dfffe1680ad7835f7129bffce0eb7%7Ciid%3A1

Yes, those are boots as well.  Chinese I believe. I've heard some complaints that a few people have ordered them only to find the paper sleeves glued to the CDs. It does show a demand for some sort of overall boxed set of their work.  Hopefully they do something one of these days...

The crazy thing is just how many of these sets are out there. Search "U2 complete" on ebay and you'll get dozens of listings for this box set from numerous sellers in the US as well as Europe, China, etc. One of the US listings even says "Made in the US" right in the title (which I'm sure isn't true), and the seller has already sold more than 40 sets. The sheer volume of these certainly creates the impression that it's a legitimate release. I wonder why ebay doesn't even attempt to shut this down?
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