u2songs.com: Running to Stand Still
Site Related => Discography & Releases => Topic started by: hmtmkmkm on February 07, 2011, 07:02:48 PM
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Time for a post about the latest Subscriber Promotional CD, now that the tracklisting has been released.
1. WHERE THE STREETS HAVE NO NAME
U2 and Soweto Gospel Choir
2. THE WANDERER
U2 and Johnny Cash
3. FALLING AT YOUR FEET
Bono and Danny Lanois
4. MISS SARAJEVO
Passengers and Luciano Pavarotti
5. SLOW DANCING
U2 and Willie Nelson
6. THE SAINTS ARE COMING
U2 and Green Day
7. SUNDAY BLOODY SUNDAY (Live from Auckland)
U2 and Jay-Z
8. ONE
U2 and Mary J Blige
9. WHEN LOVE COMES TO TOWN
U2 and BB King
10. STUCK IN A MOMENT YOU CAN’T GET OUT OF (Live at the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame)
U2 and Mick Jagger
11. THE BALLAD OF RONNIE DREW
U2, The Dubliners, Kíla, A Band of Bowsies
12. I’M NOT YOUR BABY
U2 and Sinead O’Connor
13. STRANDED (HAITI MON AMOUR) – Hybrid Mix
Jay-Z, Bono, The Edge, Rihanna
14. DRUNK CHICKEN / AMERICA
U2 and Allen Ginsberg
15. AMAZING GRACE
U2 and Soweto Gospel Choir
I'm a collector but not as good as some others here so I'm not sure of exactly which ones haven't been released before but I'm looking forward to hearing a rendition of Stuck In A Moment with... Mick Jagger of all people, I'm Not Your Baby with Sinead O'Connor, Falling At Your Feet – a song I haven't heard before – and Sunday Bloody Sunday from Auckland, not that I care much for Jay-Z's interruption.
Disappointed to see a track space used for The Saints Are Coming. Never liked that collaboration. And for someone like myself, there aren't that many doubles on there.
What does everyone think?
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According to the site's discography, in whatever shape it currently is, the only one that hasn't been released before is Sunday Bloody Sunday with Jay-Z. But you sound familiar with it, so perhaps it's simply missing from the lists.
Personally, the only new tracks would be that one, the Mick Jagger duet (which I can hear picture in my head having equal potential for awesomeness and disaster), Stranded, and the Soweto Gospel Choir songs.
Falling at Your Feet is a good one, from the soundtrack to The Million Dollar Hotel. One of my favorites on that album.
When Amazing Grace & Where the Streets Have No Name were given to U2.com subscribers, were they a seamless recording or just two tracks attached to one another? Weird of them to split them apart and put them in the opposite order on this one, though I suppose if you play the CD on loop it's almost the same.
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Yeah the Amazing Grace/Streets split makes no sense to me. Unless it's the fashion to do that for when people have the album on repeat, I can't see why it's been done this way. It has the feel of the live show because Amazing Grace segues into Streets at the concerts. At around about where he sings "But now, I'm found", the sound of Streets comes in and it builds as he sings the last line. I think this version on Duals is mostly the same. In the end, this U2.com post could just be a list of the songs, rather than the order of the CD track list itself. I think it was interesting taking something recorded live and then pasting a collaborator's version over the top. Don't think I've heard that before.
Speaking of concerts, I heard the Jay-Z interruption at the Melbourne show in December, and to quote Family Guy, it "was just... just awful". I get that his music is an entirely different genre and style and what-have-you so it shouldn't really suit the song, but it was just the worst fit for a collaboration. I could sense the entire crowd seemed lost in it. Maybe because everyone was trying to understand what he was saying. Why he was selected as support act is beyond me. That's another whole issue. Maybe the Auckland version is an improvement.
I'm leaning more towards disaster with the Mick Jagger collaboration.
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There's four songs on here that haven't been released on CD before:
Stranded (Hybrid Mix) - we had a live version, and we had version 1.0, but this sounds like a new mix. Probably just a combination of the two.
Amazing Grace / Streets (With the Soweto Gospel Choir) - this is live from the rosebowl, with the Soweto Gospel Choir mixed in after the fact.
Sunday Bloody Sunday (with Jay-Z)
Out of those, Amazing Grace, Streets, and Sunday Bloody Sunday have all been featured on u2.com as streaming audio. And Streets / Amazing Grace was downloadable as a Christmas gift, so most people already have those.
That really leaves a potential new mix of Stranded as the only thing we haven't heard before. That's weak.
The Mick Jagger one isn't new. It was released before Christmas on the "Rock n Roll Hall of Fame 25th Anniversary Concert" CD and DVD. And could potentially be the worst sounding thing I've ever heard U2 release. LOL.
It would be nice if they go for the rarer mixes of Falling at Your Feet, and The Wanderer. The version of The Wanderer from the Faraway So Close CD has an extra verse, and that soundtrack is getting harder and harder to find. Falling at Your Feet was also recorded for Daniel Lanois' album "Shine" and that version also featured Bono, but was a very different mix to what people have heard from the Million Dollar Hotel.
As to how up to date the By Songs section is? Well I need to add Duels. But other than that, it was just updated last week and should be fairly thorough...
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Seriously? This is pretty awful if you ask me. Many of these are album tracks that every single person who would subscribe to U2.com would already have. They should have scrapped this and put something else together. Big disappointment, though I can't say any of these releases have been all that worthwhile since Melon, with the possible exceptions of the Vertigo one and the Rare Tracks one. It's very disappointing to me that these releases have repeatedly repackaged tracks already released instead of offering something we haven't heard before. Even the 12/31/89 Lovetown show has never been released officially, except on iTunes and that would be much better than this. We know they recorded other ZOO TV shows, other PopMart shows, etc... Even if the sound quality was a bit lacking those would be SO cool to have over something like this.
Luckily their reissues/deluxe versions have been pretty good, but these fan club CDs are a big rip off if you ask me.
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This is pretty disappointing. For one thing, this "exclusive fan club CD" contains SEVEN tracks that are readily available on regular, in-print albums (The Wanderer, Falling at Your Feet, Miss Sarajevo, The Saints are Coming, One, When Love Comes to Town, and Drunk Chicken). Hopefully at least a couple of these will be rare or previously unheard mixes, but that's not likely.
And yeah, what's up with splitting up Streets and Amazing Grace? It makes no sense.
And for those who don't already have the other tracks:
Slow Dancing (IGWSHA CD single... $1.00 and up from amazon sellers)
I'm Not Your Baby (Sinead O'Connor Collaborations CD... $3.52 from amazon sellers)
Stuck in a Moment (R&R Hall of Fame Night 2 CD... $13.58 and up from amazon sellers)
Ronnie Drew (this is the only CD track that might be tough to get... the current lowest price on amazon is near $60).
So yeah, maybe three or four tracks that are truly rare/desirable, surrounded by ten or more tracks that are extremely common. Grrr.
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I do wonder how they are going to make Amazing Grace into a separate track. The snippet from the Rose Bowl concert is only about a minute long.
The rest of this release get a big "meh." So many wasted possibilities.
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Even the 12/31/89 Lovetown show has never been released officially, except on iTunes and that would be much better than this. We know they recorded other ZOO TV shows, other PopMart shows, etc... Even if the sound quality was a bit lacking those would be SO cool to have over something like this.
Good point on the 89 Lovetown show. They also released the Boston 83 show. Either would be a better choice than what they are choosing here. It's a downright slap in the face to be including album tracks in my opinion. Maybe we'll get an alternate mix, but I am very very doubtful it will happen.
WLCTT, Miss Sarajevo, The Wanderer, Saints...what a joke.
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Ronnie Drew (this is the only CD track that might be tough to get... the current lowest price on amazon is near $60).
Try looking around at some Irish sources. As it was an Irish only release it was probably much more plentiful there, than it was in North American markets.
If it is going for $60 maybe i should sell mine that i bought for $3.
:)
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Ronnie Drew (this is the only CD track that might be tough to get... the current lowest price on amazon is near $60).
Try looking around at some Irish sources. As it was an Irish only release it was probably much more plentiful there, than it was in North American markets.
If it is going for $60 maybe i should sell mine that i bought for $3.
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Ha! Me too. I think I got mine for around 10.00 from amazon.uk when it was released, but now that it's out of print, people are jacking up the price.
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I suggest everyone post their displeasure on u2.com:
http://community.u2.com/topic/21327?page=1
Probably too late to do much, but until they start sending these out, maybe there's an opportunity to get this train wreck rethought?
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Hmm link doesn't work. Did they can whatever was there or is it a bad link?
I suggest everyone post their displeasure on u2.com:
http://community.u2.com/topic/21327?page=1
Probably too late to do much, but until they start sending these out, maybe there's an opportunity to get this train wreck rethought?
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you have to be logged in at u2.com to see the link.
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I logged in. Still get an error. May be because I'm not currently a paying member?
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In general, I haven't been too psyched about this release since its announcement. Didn't bother renewing my subscription.
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I'm bummed that in my first year of subscribing (2010), I got Artificial Horizon and I hate remixes – god help them if their new album in May is some club music thing like Paul McGuinness has said they might do. And now Duals comes out and I may have to resubscribe to actually get this one, seeing as it's a new year. I get their emails about it but I don't even think I'm valid for it, considering it's a new year. Considering their past releases are rarer than tits on a bull to find online and then you're paying upwards of $250 for Hasta or Zoo TV... bah. I chose the wrong bloody time to subscribe. Pitfalls of trying to be a completest...
I wasn't aware they had recorded other Zoo TV and Popmart Shows. I'd say the only hope there is for them is if they include them in any future remasters. Surely Achtung Baby! is due in its 20th Anniversary year?
Thanks for the U2.com link, Aaron. Read through all of it and joined in the chorus of displeasure.
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I think each subscription gets you one CD, so even if you recently subscribed and got a CD, you won't get the next CD unless you pay for another year.
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Then fortunately for me, this CD won't be very expensive on ebay shortly after the deliveries are made.
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i really think they threw out the concept of the album way too early. "oh hey. we're gonna do a full album of duets. we will get it pressed sometime next year. but hey it's september and we want your money, and know codes will bring in more of you than will the cd. we'll figure that out later".
only thing is the concept is so limiting. how much of the older stuff has been captured live? and how much of it would need to be cleared to put out there on this album? how hard are you going to bother doing the legal work to get clearances, when it's just a fan club cd.
i think the concept was announced, and then they had to live up to it. and we get the sad stuff they already have clearance to use...
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If you watch the Joshua Tree classic albums you'll see footage from 8/27/92 with Daniel Lanois performing ISHFWILF (by the way would have been a great duet for the DUALS album). If you watch the Miss Sarajevo doc there is some 1993 European footage. Can't help but wonder what they have stored away. Yet for the most part they release stuff for these CDs that has already been out. Disappointing.
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Part of the blurb on U2.com sounds pretty defensive, no doubt due to all the criticism being put forth in various forums:
"A few of the fifteen tracks have featured on studio albums, but many have had only limited previous availability and some are released here for the first time.
We think it's a pretty special collection and with the finished CD now in production, we'll be emailing qualifying subscribers with details of delivery times as soon as we have them."
The comment on "studio albums" makes me think that we probably won't get unique or unreleased mixes of When Love Comes to Town, Wanderer, etc. Just the same stuff you can get on the regular albums.
And the comment about the "finished CD now in production" means you can forget about them listening to all the fan feedback and correcting the situation. It's a done deal.
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For a casual - I like U2 and got a fan-club remembership for the concert tickets to see them once or twice before they retire and get some swag it seems solid... honestly I can't think of too many bands out of the ones I listen to where I would have every soundtrack/collaboration appearance - WLCTT seems a bit much, but perhaps that's to draw in the younger crowd to their old material, who knows. The Ronnie Drew song was a pleasant include.
I suppose just keep in mind that U2 is a brand as well as a band - I mean it's awesome they've been playing unreleased material, but the setlist is still a bunch of a-sides (though less so than before) with a few 'rarer' songs etc thrown in for the faithful.
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I understand your point but it's still a pretty unappealing collection. WLCTT is even on Best of 80-90 so even many casual fans would have it, I bet. But overall just seems pretty random. Some of the tracks are actually Bono (not U2) and the "Drunk Chicken" is a curiosity that shouldn't be on any compilation outside of the JT deluxe.
I'm sure there's no alternate mix of WLCTT though they did recently do it again with BB King (Bono/Edge) so that would be cool (it's on YouTube).
Speaking of, I wonder what the Rattle and Hum re-release will be like. Unreleased R&H (i.e., Joshua Tree leg 3 era) footage? Lovetown show? Stuff from the premier era? A package including the R&H film itself?
I've often wondered if video from 11/7/87 exists. But I bet they'd focus instead on Lovetown.
And what about "disc 2" This would be the first one where, if you count all the long promo-only remixes, where I don't think you would be able to fit everything on CD.
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I understand your point but it's still a pretty unappealing collection. WLCTT is even on Best of 80-90 so even many casual fans would have it, I bet. But overall just seems pretty random. Some of the tracks are actually Bono (not U2) and the "Drunk Chicken" is a curiosity that shouldn't be on any compilation outside of the JT deluxe.
I'm sure there's no alternate mix of WLCTT though they did recently do it again with BB King (Bono/Edge) so that would be cool (it's on YouTube).
Speaking of, I wonder what the Rattle and Hum re-release will be like. Unreleased R&H (i.e., Joshua Tree leg 3 era) footage? Lovetown show? Stuff from the premier era? A package including the R&H film itself?
I've often wondered if video from 11/7/87 exists. But I bet they'd focus instead on Lovetown.
And what about "disc 2" This would be the first one where, if you count all the long promo-only remixes, where I don't think you would be able to fit everything on CD.
Mike -- up next is supposedly a deluxe box of Achtung Baby. When enquiring about that, I was told Rattle and Hum, Zooropa and Pop would probably only get a double CD along the lines of what we got for Boy, October, etc. I looked over the R&H bsides, and promo stuff, and there's room on one cd to fit it all, including the three live tracks released on "Exceprts from Rattle and Hum", and that was including the 9:23 mix of Desire. I expect to be underwhelmed with the Rattle and Hum release.
I don't think Rattle and Hum the movie can be released as part of this as it's under license to Paramount. Which is one of the reasons everytime there's a new format out there, R&H shows up again. U2 doesn't seem to have control over the movie release of this like they do their own DVDs, and audio cds.
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A few of the fifteen tracks have featured on studio albums, but many have had only limited previous availability and some are released here for the first time.
Oh u2.com i love how you edit old articles.
Released for first time? (2)
Stranded (Hybrid Mix) if it is a new mix.
Sunday Bloody Sunday (Live with Jay-Z)
Studio Albums? (8)
The Wanderer
Falling at Your Feet
Miss Sarajevo
The Saints are Coming
One
When Love Comes to Town
Stuck in a Moment
I'm Not Your Baby
Limited Availability? (5)
Streets
Slow Dancing
Ballad of Ronnie Drew
Drunk Chicken
Amazing Grace
The majority of the album is songs from albums you can go out today and buy on itunes and any music store. "I'm Not Your Baby" has been all over Sinead's solo compilations. Falling at your Feet was on the M$H soundtrack which you can still find with some ease. One was on a Mary J Blige best of so it's everywhere.
Limited availability? Fine I'll list the Soweto stuff here. But seriously, it's the Rose Bowl performance of those two songs with the Soweto Choir singing over top. It's not u2 working with the choir. It's someone mixing in the choir to an already existing U2 performance. So seriously? The u2 bits are pretty common. And Drunk Chicken - well i'll call it limited, but it was on an album release.
They changed the wording around, but it still doesn't change the fact that this album is a crappy compilation for anyone who was hoping for things that were hard to find.
You could go out tomorrow and find most of these tracks in a music store.
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Mike -- up next is supposedly a deluxe box of Achtung Baby. When enquiring about that, I was told Rattle and Hum, Zooropa and Pop would probably only get a double CD along the lines of what we got for Boy, October, etc. I looked over the R&H bsides, and promo stuff, and there's room on one cd to fit it all, including the three live tracks released on "Exceprts from Rattle and Hum", and that was including the 9:23 mix of Desire. I expect to be underwhelmed with the Rattle and Hum release.
I just hope they get around to the rest of the catalog before the CD format dies completely. I'd be fine with the content you described for the R&H bonus disc, as I've never pulled the trigger on buying an expensive copy of "Excerpts from...". At the same time, every 2-CD release thus far has had at least one previously unreleased/"from the vaults" type track, so I would hope they would include something like that on R&H. They could use a shorter version of the Desire remix (we don't really need all the versions of that, do we?) in order to make room for previously unreleased material.
As for Duals, I think the backlash would have been less severe if U2.com had simply made the disc shorter and eliminated WLCTT, Miss Sarajevo, The Saints are Coming and The Wanderer. No matter how exclusive the other material is (and in this case most of it isn't exclusive at all), putting album tracks on a release like this is a slap in the face.
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So all the R&H b-sides, the shorter remixes, and the longer remixes would still clock in at under 80 minutes? Must be close then. The long remixes alone take up what almost 30 minutes?
As for AB, that will be interesting. Clearly you can't fit all the remixes/b-sides on one CD. But it would be cool to have them all compiled. If you put them all on a Blu-ray disc, then you could do it. And then there's the matter of the CHFIL Mystery Trail Dub, which is my personal holy grail that I'd love to have on CD. But anyway...
As for a DVD/Bluray, if they were able to put on a full Outside Broadcast show with it, that would be truly awesome. I don't see it happening, but then again I didn't see the JT deluxe happening either.
Zooropa? Wonder if they have the Daddy's Remix. An Oakenfold nut was going to send me a rare HQ recording of that. Will have to get back to him.
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As far as R&H is concerned, I'd much rather have the complete Sun Studios sessions than a disc of remixes.
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I'm with you Brad - as they move into the CD era where most of the bsides were released in that format, i wish they'd focus less on just compiling the bsides, and instead dig for some great rarities. fill it out with some of the better bsides.
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I would agree too. I just noted that if they were going to continue to compile remixes, this one would have some pretty long ones. Might seem like overkill, though I'm sure all the remixes of Two Hearts Beat as One seemed like overkill too. Not sure about the Sun Studios sessions, I'd be more focused with having a Lovetown show, preferably leg 2.
Bruce Springsteen put out a great box set late last year for his 4th album, Darkness on the Edge of Town. In that case he had a ton of old unfinished songs and put out 2 CDs worth of them. Also included a full show from that legendary show, bonus videos, a recent performance of the full album and a documentary. Pretty sweet.
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Didn't U2.com send out an e-mail more than two weeks ago saying that Duals was ready to ship? Hasn't anyone received theirs yet? Or is this release truly so underwhelming that people have it already and simply don't have anything to say about it?
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see the front page / blog. first ones have started showing in the wild. friends in new york and washington report getting theirs in the mail today. i assume they'll slowly show up everywhere from here...pic of the cd on the blog...
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Aaron, when you used the phrase "front page / blog" in your post above:
Are you only referring to page one of this topic?
Does blog refer to a website separate from this forum?
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Front Page = http://www.u2wanderer.org/
First item under newsbits is the item about the Duals album showing up. You can click the link there to go to the blog Brad set up for the site a while back. When we relaunch all of that will be brought back together...
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Thanks for explaining. I really appreciate it.
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The forum is supporting the website. So when I say front page it is almost always in reference to the index page at u2wanderer.org. We've gotten scattered during the last crash. We expect to bring it all back together in the next round so you'll be able to see better navigation throughout hopefully. :0)
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::: I'm using this post to congratulate Aaron for this collaboration on @U2 about the 'Duals' CD.
But also I'm saying:
::: What is happen with some people/fans?
At Yahoo Collectors Group, the members are saying: '...I've received my 'Duals' it's a nice, cd/nice package/great arrival..."
First, for those who don't know me or have read a post by me here, or somewhere esle: I'm almost 40, and I'm an Architect. Thus this obviously I have a wider spectrum of graphic arts design, because of my job, I know how to use digital software to create enviroments, spaces, colours, textures, and to project any design we must apply knowledge about contrast, unity, clarity, balance, simetric elements and or contrast with light, shades, transparencies or opacity items, etc.
How can someone of us --as I've read on twitter, U2.com, Yahoo Collectors, Zootopia, Etc.-- say that 'Duals' has a great design package?
JesusChrist. It's the most awful sleeve/jacket, or inner fold out package ever in U2 history.
I still don't know if it was produced by Steve Averill and Company, but, you don't need to have studied neither graphic or architectonic design. With Corel Draw, or Adobe Illustrator or whatever design software and a bunch of official photography of the band, a lot of Us would have come with a better cover and overall design.
The only good thing of all of this 'Duals' was the original concept. A compilation of U2 and other artists collaborations. The rest is like a slap on the face. At least for me. i can't be insulted like that, first with the tracklisting, then with the poor graphic design.
I wanna read opinions, guys.
Happy Easter. >:(
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Has anyone seen any good deals for this on ebay yet? Usually the ticket brokers sell off their copies for cheap. So far, most of these are going for more than $30, which is shocking to me. I think I got Artificial Horizon for less than $20 soon after it was released. I guess I should just keep checking.
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How can someone of us --as I've read on twitter, U2.com, Yahoo Collectors, Zootopia, Etc.-- say that 'Duals' has a great design package?
JesusChrist. It's the most awful sleeve/jacket, or inner fold out package ever in U2 history.
When I saw the first version (that with 2 microphones) I thought that child could had better... Ther was almost put no work/effort on it. I thought it couldn't be worse. ???
But then u2.com released new artwork, even worse.... It's unreadable with this colours.
The only good thing of all of this 'Duals' was the original concept. A compilation of U2 and other artists collaborations. The rest is like a slap on the face.
I think so. If the tracklisting would be great, I think the artwork wouldn't be so important, but now both things are crap ::)
All in all none of the subscribers CDs are worth of 50/40 $ - as subscribtion (in non touring seasons) isn't offering anything special. U2 Videos, short amateur clips from shows or full albums to listening aren't something new for U2 fans. U2.com should release some concerts CDs but not this ripped from DVDs... :-\
U2 Duals has SBS Live with Jay-Z but why just they didn't added Scarlet form Auckland (also with Jay-Z). Scarlet was never released Live, it's rare track for U2 fans, against another version of well know SBS. ::)
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U2 Duals has SBS Live with Jay-Z but why just they didn't added Scarlet form Auckland (also with Jay-Z). Scarlet was never released Live, it's rare track for U2 fans, against another version of well know SBS. ::)
U2 doesn't release so many things because they are scared. This is why they edit their live releases so much. They are scared to show something that, to them, isn't perfect. This is also why it takes so long to release new material.
On a different note, I've had U2 Duals for a few years now. It's called an iTunes playlist. Mine is actually called U2 Duets.
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::: A fellow architect has offered me his 'Duals' cd in ex-change for doing some work for him.
I said ok...so no compromise with U2.com, but I will have my copy to fill the collection, great deal!
:P
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Actually a live version (which prior to this tour was the only known live version) of Scarlet was released on the October deluxe edition.
Scarlet was never released Live, it's rare track for U2 fans, against another version of well know SBS. ::)
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Actually a live version (which prior to this tour was the only known live version) of Scarlet was released on the October deluxe edition.
I would rather said it was alternative studio version. ;) It good BBC session version, but it's not Live Concert version as they play on 360 Tour. :-\