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Title: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: miryclay on November 20, 2018, 10:54:56 PM
The tour was niether Innocent or Experienced.
Please discuss.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: u2hmtmkmkm on November 21, 2018, 03:29:41 AM
Two tours but only a double CD, I have the impression this is going to be like Hasta La Vista x2, one show on CD, the other on the second, so they won't be complete shows. Would love a complete show but otherwise I'm excited for it.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: Aaron on November 21, 2018, 06:41:07 AM
Two tours but only a double CD, I have the impression this is going to be like Hasta La Vista x2, one show on CD, the other on the second, so they won't be complete shows. Would love a complete show but otherwise I'm excited for it.

Thereís a number of songs that repeated between both tours. Beautiful Day, Pride, Even Better Than the Real Thing, Vertigo, City of Blinding Lights, One, Elevation.

They could steer clear of The Joshua Tree stuff if the 2017 DVD is coming around the same time. So they have some options for what to cut. I think it will be more like U22 or From the Ground Up where it will be a mix of stuff and may not necessarily follow the flow of a concert...
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: miryclay on November 21, 2018, 08:52:36 AM
Strangely I listened to both Slane and Sydney Fan club gifts this week before this was announced for the first time in a long time.
360 (U22) had so many songs that they had to chop some off and making a setlist replica was difficult. Experience had a limited amount of songs so a standard edition would be easy to create. 
Personally, I would like a 3 or 4 CD edition with a heavy emphasis on SOI and SOE songs. I hope they make this gift EPIC. It seems like a quick turnaround for a book though. I have printing times concerns. This is U2.com remember.

Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: dagobah on November 21, 2018, 09:17:43 AM
I'm only interested in the music.  I don't care about the book.  So if anyone wants my book, I'll mail it to you as long as you pay the shipping.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: George on November 21, 2018, 01:26:26 PM
Hopefully like with U22 and From The Ground Up, additional tracks that didn't make the cut for either CD will be downloadable.

I like this gift idea, but have trouble seeing how it fits well on just two CDs, especially when the 360 tour got three CDs worth of material, plus downloads, and still had several missing tracks.  I know that there was a lot less variation with these two tours within each tour, but collectively, I'm guessing, the variation is about the same as 360?
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: miryclay on November 21, 2018, 02:37:47 PM
Hopefully like with U22 and From The Ground Up, additional tracks that didn't make the cut for either CD will be downloadable.

I like this gift idea, but have trouble seeing how it fits well on just two CDs, especially when the 360 tour got three CDs worth of material, plus downloads, and still had several missing tracks.  I know that there was a lot less variation with these two tours within each tour, but collectively, I'm guessing, the variation is about the same as 360?

EI 41 songs
JT17 31 songs
IE 54 songs
360 62 songs

All of these are full songs, not snippets.*u2gigs
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: George on November 21, 2018, 04:58:01 PM
Hopefully like with U22 and From The Ground Up, additional tracks that didn't make the cut for either CD will be downloadable.

I like this gift idea, but have trouble seeing how it fits well on just two CDs, especially when the 360 tour got three CDs worth of material, plus downloads, and still had several missing tracks.  I know that there was a lot less variation with these two tours within each tour, but collectively, I'm guessing, the variation is about the same as 360?

EI 41 songs
JT17 31 songs
IE 54 songs
360 62 songs

All of these are full songs, not snippets.*u2gigs

Hmm.  But how many different songs were played in the combined IE & EI shows?  I could look it up, but it's dinner time...
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: miryclay on November 21, 2018, 07:55:07 PM
Here is my subscription fantasy selection. I'm using the Hasta! model of cutting down a tour to 14 tracks.

CD1

The Miracle (of Joey Ramone)
Iris (Hold Me Close)
Cedarwood Road
Song For Someone
Raised By Wolves
Invisible
October
Bullet the Blue Sky
Zooropa
Volcano
The Crystal Ballroom
Mother And Child Reunion
Ordinary Love
The Troubles

CD2

Love Is All We Have Left
The Blackout
Lights Of Home
Red Flag Day
Dirty Day
Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses
Acrobat
You're The Best Thing About Me
Staring at the Sun
Summer Of Love
American Soul
Get Out Of Your Own Way
Love Is Bigger Than Anything in Its Way
13 (There Is A Light)
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: morgan1098 on November 22, 2018, 02:14:49 AM
Am I the only one overjoyed that we're getting CDs again??? If this is a "mixed concert" affair like U22, then it's a win in my book. U22 and From the Ground Up were the best fan club gifts in the history of the club, so if this follows the same format I'm happy.

I mean, we could have gotten something like, "Coming soon on limited edition colored vinyl, two songs from I+E on Side A and two songs from E+I on Side B." I'm super relieved and also surprised we're not getting something like that.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: Aaron on November 22, 2018, 09:01:51 AM
Am I the only one overjoyed that we're getting CDs again??? If this is a "mixed concert" affair like U22, then it's a win in my book. U22 and From the Ground Up were the best fan club gifts in the history of the club, so if this follows the same format I'm happy.

I mean, we could have gotten something like, "Coming soon on limited edition colored vinyl, two songs from I+E on Side A and two songs from E+I on Side B." I'm super relieved and also surprised we're not getting something like that.

I'm overjoyed as well.  Vinyl looks great, but it's a pain to do anything with.  I am far more likely to pull out a CD to listen to casually, and it's far easier to scan for the discography LOL!!

We did that survey about the fan club gifts.  40% of fans that answered don't even have a record player.  Only 10% don't have a way to play CDs.  So from a possible use perspective the CDs probably make more sense among the fan base that answered.

I am interested in what they will do for a book.  If it will be more like the U22 book with a handful of images in a more magazine style appearance, or if they are actually planning on doing something more comprehensive like they did with the From the Ground Up book...
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: George on November 22, 2018, 09:28:16 AM
Am I the only one overjoyed that we're getting CDs again??? If this is a "mixed concert" affair like U22, then it's a win in my book. U22 and From the Ground Up were the best fan club gifts in the history of the club, so if this follows the same format I'm happy.

I mean, we could have gotten something like, "Coming soon on limited edition colored vinyl, two songs from I+E on Side A and two songs from E+I on Side B." I'm super relieved and also surprised we're not getting something like that.

Unique audio, on CD.  That's what I want and that's what's coming, so I'm certainly happy!  I think that the club's best work by far was done on U22 and From The Ground Up, so if it's anything like that, I'll be very happy.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: miryclay on November 22, 2018, 09:59:35 AM
Am I the only one overjoyed that we're getting CDs again??? If this is a "mixed concert" affair like U22, then it's a win in my book. U22 and From the Ground Up were the best fan club gifts in the history of the club, so if this follows the same format I'm happy.

I mean, we could have gotten something like, "Coming soon on limited edition colored vinyl, two songs from I+E on Side A and two songs from E+I on Side B." I'm super relieved and also surprised we're not getting something like that.

Unique audio, on CD.  That's what I want and that's what's coming, so I'm certainly happy!  I think that the club's best work by far was done on U22 and From The Ground Up, so if it's anything like that, I'll be very happy.

FTGU was really well done. Not only was it official but essentially closed the door on any 360 era books written by third parties. I actual expect this to be epic as well but am worried about time constraints on the CDs. 
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: miryclay on November 22, 2018, 10:41:34 AM
Here is a list of songs that were played live in 15+18 that have not been released live in any capacity. Feel free to ad some more.

Who's Gonna Ride Your Wild Horses
Ordinary Love
California (There Is No End To Love)
The Troubles
Lucifer's Hands
The Crystal Ballroom
Volcano
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: PatrickM on November 22, 2018, 08:59:43 PM
Just for fun, I decided to give it a try on the tracklisting. I tried to give a Innocence/Experience concert flow on the list.

They have revealed six tracks on the news article: The Miracle of Joey Ramone, Every Breaking Wave, Song for Someone, The Blackout, Get Out of Your Own Way and 13 (There is a Light). Since they have played I Will Follow, Beautiful Day, Pride and Vertigo in every concert of the two tours, I have also included those.

CD1: The Miracle of Joey Ramone | The Electric Co. | Vertigo | I Will Follow | Beautiful Day | The Ocean | Iris | Cedarwood Road | Song for Someone | Sunday Bloody Sunday | Raised by Wolves | Until the End of the World

CD2: The Blackout | Lights of Home | Elevation | Even Better... | Acrobat | You're the Best Thing | Every Breaking Wave | Pride | Get Out of Your Own Way | City of Blinding Lights | One | Love is Bigger... | 13 (There is a Light)

25 tracks, with 12 songs from SOI/SOE.

Hope they don't go for the easy route and pick audio from Paris'15 and Berlin'18 only.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: George on November 23, 2018, 11:30:59 AM
Hope they don't go for the easy route and pick audio from Paris'15 and Berlin'18 only.

That would certainly be a disappointment.  I'd like to see a mix of as many different shows as possible.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: miryclay on November 25, 2018, 08:04:19 AM
This is a great gift but I would eventually like a studio rarities blowout like M,R,RM.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: miryclay on January 16, 2019, 07:06:08 PM
Voting now live on U2.com
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: morgan1098 on January 18, 2019, 04:04:19 PM
People seem to be in an uproar over "Little Things" being up for vote on U2.com, but I think it's great. Yes, it's not from the 2015 or 2018 tours, but it makes sense to tag it on there since the focus clearly seems to be on songs from SOI and SOE. Just call it a "bonus track from JT30" and call it good. What's the big deal?  :)
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: miryclay on February 27, 2019, 07:15:57 AM
Little Things sounds great!
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: George on February 27, 2019, 09:47:08 AM
yes, Little Things is really good!  I'm surprised the Song For Someone got voted in over The Troubles.  The Troubles, if I remember correctly, was sitting second for a while and I just figured that it would be the second track.  I don't know why people would prefer to hear an already available song instead of one they've never heard.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: Anam on February 27, 2019, 03:07:44 PM
There are those who would draw a line between the 'fan' vote and the 'fanatic' vote. They are both good songs and while I wouldn't have chosen Song for Someone, I think it's great that it has such popular support. Great album track, great live track and a proper video with Woody off Cheers. The Troubles on the other hand never really found its feet live, imho.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: miryclay on February 27, 2019, 08:51:13 PM
Larry's drumming on The Troubles live was one of my favorite live U2 moments.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: Aaron on May 28, 2019, 01:45:46 PM
Larry's drumming on The Troubles live was one of my favorite live U2 moments.

More tracks revealed and I'm even more sure now that it's going to be Songs of Innocence songs and Songs of Experience songs.

My guess?

Disc One:
The Miracle of Joey Ramone
California (There is No End to Love)
Iris (Hold Me Close)
Cedarwood Road
Song for Someone
Raised by Wolves
Invisible
Volcano
Every Breaking Wave
The Troubles
Bonus: Lucifer's Hands
Bonus: The Crystal Ballroom
---
12 tracks

Disc Two:
Love is All We Have Left
The Blackout
Lights of Home
Red Flag Day
The Showman (Snippet) / You're the Best Thing
Summer of Love
Get Out of Your Own Way
American Soul
Landlady
Love is Bigger Than Anything in its Way
13 (There is A Light)
Bonus: The Little Things that Give You Away
Bonus: Ordinary Love
---
13 tracks
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: George on May 28, 2019, 03:17:16 PM
Larry's drumming on The Troubles live was one of my favorite live U2 moments.

More tracks revealed and I'm even more sure now that it's going to be Songs of Innocence songs and Songs of Experience songs.

My guess?

Disc One:
The Miracle of Joey Ramone
California (There is No End to Love)
Iris (Hold Me Close)
Cedarwood Road
Song for Someone
Raised by Wolves
Invisible
Volcano
Every Breaking Wave
The Troubles
Bonus: Lucifer's Hands
Bonus: The Crystal Ballroom
---
12 tracks

Disc Two:
Love is All We Have Left
The Blackout
Lights of Home
Red Flag Day
The Showman (Snippet) / You're the Best Thing
Summer of Love
Get Out of Your Own Way
American Soul
Landlady
Love is Bigger Than Anything in its Way
13 (There is A Light)
Bonus: The Little Things that Give You Away
Bonus: Ordinary Love
---
13 tracks

I would be very pleased with this.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: Aaron on May 29, 2019, 07:37:39 AM
Larry's drumming on The Troubles live was one of my favorite live U2 moments.

More tracks revealed and I'm even more sure now that it's going to be Songs of Innocence songs and Songs of Experience songs.

My guess?

Disc One:
The Miracle of Joey Ramone
California (There is No End to Love)
Iris (Hold Me Close)
Cedarwood Road
Song for Someone
Raised by Wolves
Invisible
Volcano
Every Breaking Wave
The Troubles
Bonus: Lucifer's Hands
Bonus: The Crystal Ballroom
---
12 tracks

Disc Two:
Love is All We Have Left
The Blackout
Lights of Home
Red Flag Day
The Showman (Snippet) / You're the Best Thing
Summer of Love
Get Out of Your Own Way
American Soul
Landlady
Love is Bigger Than Anything in its Way
13 (There is A Light)
Bonus: The Little Things that Give You Away
Bonus: Ordinary Love
---
13 tracks

I would be very pleased with this.

I would too. I suspect the bonus tracks are a long shot, especially Lucifer's Hands as it wasn't played much and The Crystal Ballroom that had a really extended Stones snippet that would need clearance...Invisible / Ordinary Love make sense to me, they really fit into the albums.  And we know The Little Things is on there :)
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: miryclay on May 29, 2019, 03:01:42 PM
I wouldn't mind this yet it seems to be by the numbers. My hope would U2 would be a little more creative. I personally doubt that the rare tracks Lucifer, CB are going to get much luv.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: miryclay on May 29, 2019, 03:03:51 PM
 Your list adheres to the time honored approach of adding a rando bonus track for no apparent reason.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: dagobah on June 20, 2019, 02:19:20 AM
I wonder if the 2 CDs (U2 Live Songs of iNNOCENCE + eXPERIENCE) will arrive in 2019.  I currently have no subscription so I expect to start a new subscription in the next few months.  I haven't done it yet because I just don't like paying for something and then having the shipment pending for months or even a year.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: morgan1098 on July 05, 2019, 06:00:11 PM
LOL, U2.com still says the full track list will be published in "early 2019" and the set will ship in "spring 2019." Ok then. By Fan Club standards they're right on schedule.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: Aaron on July 09, 2019, 11:57:07 AM
LOL, U2.com still says the full track list will be published in "early 2019" and the set will ship in "spring 2019." Ok then. By Fan Club standards they're right on schedule.

It's still Winter in Australia. :)
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: Aaron on July 21, 2019, 03:49:59 PM
Sometimes you get it mostly right...track list is available in the discography page now...itís the songs below without Lucifers Hands and without Ordinary Love.

Larry's drumming on The Troubles live was one of my favorite live U2 moments.

More tracks revealed and I'm even more sure now that it's going to be Songs of Innocence songs and Songs of Experience songs.

My guess?

Disc One:
The Miracle of Joey Ramone
California (There is No End to Love)
Iris (Hold Me Close)
Cedarwood Road
Song for Someone
Raised by Wolves
Invisible
Volcano
Every Breaking Wave
The Troubles
Bonus: Lucifer's Hands
Bonus: The Crystal Ballroom
---
12 tracks

Disc Two:
Love is All We Have Left
The Blackout
Lights of Home
Red Flag Day
The Showman (Snippet) / You're the Best Thing
Summer of Love
Get Out of Your Own Way
American Soul
Landlady
Love is Bigger Than Anything in its Way
13 (There is A Light)
Bonus: The Little Things that Give You Away
Bonus: Ordinary Love
---
13 tracks
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: George on July 31, 2019, 02:36:28 PM
Missing Ordinary Love is fine - I understand the reasoning if it's not a "song of experience".  Not having Lucifer's Hands, though, just seems like a missed opportunity to be complete.  Then again, this band is pretty notorious for leaving things just short of complete when it comes to releasing anything live.

I demand a bonus download-only track!
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: morgan1098 on August 23, 2019, 09:08:57 AM
Well, U2.com has 8 days remaining in order to live up to their recent email that this set will begin shipping "in August." Will it happen? I say no. But I'd love to be wrong!
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: Aaron on August 23, 2019, 04:28:31 PM
Well, U2.com has 8 days remaining in order to live up to their recent email that this set will begin shipping "in August." Will it happen? I say no. But I'd love to be wrong!

They didn't email that one I don't think...that's what operators had been telling people when they called in...I'm told they should be going out any day now though...
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription INNOCENCE EXPERIENCE LIVE 2015 2018
Post by: BlueBlue on September 19, 2019, 09:36:26 AM
Has anyone here had any experience using/testing live grading?
Either the pomfort, filmlight flip or colorfront offerings?
Please post experiences here
Thank you

No, I don't, Martin.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: Aaron on October 17, 2019, 07:49:02 AM
LOL, U2.com still says the full track list will be published in "early 2019" and the set will ship in "spring 2019." Ok then. By Fan Club standards they're right on schedule.

It's still Winter in Australia. :)

It's Spring in Australia now.  Looks like it's right on time.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: morgan1098 on October 31, 2019, 10:15:47 AM
Anyone receive their CDs yet? :) It looks like mine shipped 3 days ago so I'm hoping today is the day.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: bobni on October 31, 2019, 02:00:42 PM
Not yet. Just received an email with shipping info! Unfortunately tracking is not working.... as usual...
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: morgan1098 on November 08, 2019, 12:48:17 PM
This is the first U2 live release I've heard where it really strikes me just how much of the music is "piped in" rather than played live... the strings on "Lights of Home," Kendrick Lamar's and Lykke Li's voices (you can also clearly hear Lady Gaga on "Summer of Love" although the sample isn't credited in the liner notes like the other two are), etc. I know a lot of this is triggered by Terry Lawless under the stage, and that this has been happening for years, it just really stands out on this release for some reason. Even so, it's cool hearing two full CDs worth of new music rather than all the old war horses like New Year's Day!
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: MartinTexas on November 11, 2019, 04:15:42 PM
Missing Ordinary Love is fine - I understand the reasoning if it's not a "song of experience".  Not having Lucifer's Hands, though, just seems like a missed opportunity to be complete.  Then again, this band is pretty notorious for leaving things just short of complete when it comes to releasing anything live.

I demand a bonus download-only track!
+1
When I read that they will include all SoI song that were played and The Crystal Ballroom within I thought at the same moment why the hell they omitted Lucifer's Hands!?!? Why? This song doesn't has luck to be on any official release - remember when "early version" Return of  Stingray Guitar was lost in voting for U22 and next on The Edge's Picks.   :-\ 
Other thing is that LH would fit very good as both CDs would have then for 12 tracks.

As for Ordinary Love - it could also be there, as Invisible can. I wouldn't mention it, but it also misses next opportunity to released in live version as they ommited it along with Sweetest Thing in bonus tracks on Paris e+I DVD/BD, still don't know why.

This is the first U2 live release I've heard where it really strikes me just how much of the music is "piped in" rather than played live... the strings on "Lights of Home," Kendrick Lamar's and Lykke Li's voices (you can also clearly hear Lady Gaga on "Summer of Love" although the sample isn't credited in the liner notes like the other two are), etc. I know a lot of this is triggered by Terry Lawless under the stage, and that this has been happening for years, it just really stands out on this release for some reason. Even so, it's cool hearing two full CDs worth of new music rather than all the old war horses like New Year's Day!

Yeah a little bit too much maybe. The Troubles is a killer for me - sounds great, especially long solo at the end, not faded like on album version.

I thought they will play The Troubles much more on e+I Tour, like a closer and maybe would had at least one opportunity to play it live with Lykke Li - that version would be probably even better.
Other option could be that part of Lykke Li could sing The Edge, but don't know how it would fit.


PS. I downloaded all tracks from U2.com and see all have fadein/fade out apart from GOOYOW->American Soul and LIAWHL->The Blackout. I thought it would be seamless as U22.  :-X
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: George on November 12, 2019, 01:54:47 PM
PS. I downloaded all tracks from U2.com and see all have fadein/fade out apart from GOOYOW->American Soul and LIAWHL->The Blackout. I thought it would be seamless as U22.  :-X

I'm not sure how I feel about the fades.  I don't find that it has really bothered me at all as I've listened to the album start-to-finish.  I thought it would grate on me, but no.

I must commend U2.com for, for the first time since whatever preceded U22, shipping me something that didn't get at least one of it's corners dented/folded/smashed during shipping!  Really, the whole thing was in prefect condition and I'm really happy about that.

The photos in the booklet are nice, but unfortunately I'll never look at them again.  It's such a nicely produced product, I just wish that they had included some sort of text with maybe anecdotal information, tour stats, quotes...anything really.  This is one of those rare times when I judged a book by its cover and was let down.

Overall, this product ranks third for what I know I'll enjoy from it, behind U22 (musically equal, behind on the booklet) and From The Ground Up (musically better, far behind on the book(let)).

I wonder if there'll be a follow-up gift in the same vein as FTGU followed U22, maybe next time being a collection of all the other tracks...
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: morgan1098 on January 08, 2020, 06:25:18 PM
Any inside word on the 2020 gift yet, or when the announcement is coming? As usual I only have a few days left on my membership and I'm not sure if I want to take the plunge, especially with no live dates likely for a while.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: God, Part II on January 10, 2020, 02:16:02 PM
Any inside word on the 2020 gift yet, or when the announcement is coming? As usual I only have a few days left on my membership and I'm not sure if I want to take the plunge, especially with no live dates likely for a while.

I have zero inside knowledge, but there are supposed to be physical releases of both the JOSHUA TREE 2017 (and 2019?) tour and the eXPERIENCE + iNNOCENCE 2018 tour upcoming and, in this day of dying physical media sales, I'm expecting one or both of these to be turned into fan club exclusives (and, if I'm right, I desperately hope they include Blu-ray as an option, and don't cheapen out with a DVD-only release, like Coldplay did last year with their Butterfly package release).
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: morgan1098 on January 13, 2020, 06:33:10 PM
Any inside word on the 2020 gift yet, or when the announcement is coming? As usual I only have a few days left on my membership and I'm not sure if I want to take the plunge, especially with no live dates likely for a while.

I have zero inside knowledge, but there are supposed to be physical releases of both the JOSHUA TREE 2017 (and 2019?) tour and the eXPERIENCE + iNNOCENCE 2018 tour upcoming and, in this day of dying physical media sales, I'm expecting one or both of these to be turned into fan club exclusives (and, if I'm right, I desperately hope they include Blu-ray as an option, and don't cheapen out with a DVD-only release, like Coldplay did last year with their Butterfly package release).

I have a feeling we might get something related to these tours as well. Actually, I'd like to see the JT Tour hit shops as a Blu-ray (and a streaming option of course) and have the Fan Club release the audio on CD.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: Aaron on January 16, 2020, 02:48:45 PM
Any inside word on the 2020 gift yet, or when the announcement is coming? As usual I only have a few days left on my membership and I'm not sure if I want to take the plunge, especially with no live dates likely for a while.

I have zero inside knowledge, but there are supposed to be physical releases of both the JOSHUA TREE 2017 (and 2019?) tour and the eXPERIENCE + iNNOCENCE 2018 tour upcoming and, in this day of dying physical media sales, I'm expecting one or both of these to be turned into fan club exclusives (and, if I'm right, I desperately hope they include Blu-ray as an option, and don't cheapen out with a DVD-only release, like Coldplay did last year with their Butterfly package release).

Might want to check out this one...
https://www.u2songs.com/news/the_crystal_ball_2020_and_beyond

The EI tour should be announced for home video release early this year. And there's talk of a 4K version. They recently have shown it on 4K stations in the USA (a 75 minute edit.) 

Joshua Tree will be coming to theatres...told it's where they want to place it first.

Don't know what to expect for sure but I half expect this will be a non-music year. 
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: George on January 17, 2020, 08:48:29 AM
I have a feeling we might get something related to these tours as well. Actually, I'd like to see the JT Tour hit shops as a Blu-ray (and a streaming option of course) and have the Fan Club release the audio on CD.

Those are the fan club gifts I like the least, the audio versions of previously released videos.  I much prefer to just rip the DVD audio and get something new from the fan club.

Don't know what to expect for sure but I half expect this will be a non-music year.

Scratch that last comment of mine.  THESE are the gifts I like the least, the non-music ones.  I hope your Aaron-Tingle is wrong about this one.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: Aaron on January 22, 2020, 07:54:44 AM
I have a feeling we might get something related to these tours as well. Actually, I'd like to see the JT Tour hit shops as a Blu-ray (and a streaming option of course) and have the Fan Club release the audio on CD.

Those are the fan club gifts I like the least, the audio versions of previously released videos.  I much prefer to just rip the DVD audio and get something new from the fan club.

Don't know what to expect for sure but I half expect this will be a non-music year.

Scratch that last comment of mine.  THESE are the gifts I like the least, the non-music ones.  I hope your Aaron-Tingle is wrong about this one.

Well it's a week later and still no announcement...sigh...
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: Aaron on January 22, 2020, 03:30:00 PM
https://www.u2songs.com/discography/fanclub

We added a new page in the discography - just dedicated to the fan club stuff. We finally moved it away from the albums page.  There's enough there now that it deserves its own space. 
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: George on January 24, 2020, 08:04:01 PM
And now we have the 2020 gift announced:

(https://cdn.ontourmedia.io/u2/non_secure/images/20200124/u2_e_i_berlin_bono_white_1000ff1579890381/large.jpg)

Some notes of note from the announcement:

Link to the announcement: https://www.u2.com/news/title/experience--innocence--live-in-berlin (https://www.u2.com/news/title/experience--innocence--live-in-berlin)

My hopes:
 - there's some reconsideration and blu-ray is made available (extremely unlikely if they're already in production)
 - HD download is made available (I don't see that happening)
 - audio is made available for download (this is highly doable and in the realm of possibilty)

My fear:
 - this gets commercially released on blu-ray and this gift becomes nothing but a lo-res backup along with some photos

I'm looking forward to this one!
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: morgan1098 on January 24, 2020, 08:35:29 PM
Yeah, if this ends up getting released on Blu-ray or 4K commercially, this is a beyond-useless fan club gift. It's funny how the announcement even compares it to the i+e release from a few years ago, which was available everywhere and on Blu-ray and also had the full show plus a ton of extras. I hate to say it, but it really does sound like the only thing that will make this a "fan club exclusive" is maybe a booklet of photos?
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: Panama Jack on January 28, 2020, 01:33:29 AM
The announcement makes the point that it's the entire show from beginning to end.

Maybe the public wide release of the e+i shows will be edited down and won't include the entire show. If that's the case, then this release wouldn't be completely pointless.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: God, Part II on January 28, 2020, 01:52:33 PM
In a day where everything is broadcast in, at minimum, 720p, this trend back to DVD (Coldplay did it last year with their Butterfly Package) is nothing less than an embarrassment. I'll renew, because duh, it's still a U2 concert, but what a crushing disappointment tech-wise.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: morgan1098 on January 28, 2020, 03:46:03 PM
In a day where everything is broadcast in, at minimum, 720p, this trend back to DVD (Coldplay did it last year with their Butterfly Package) is nothing less than an embarrassment. I'll renew, because duh, it's still a U2 concert, but what a crushing disappointment tech-wise.

I feel the same way BUT I think DVD is the best way to spread the net wide. A 4K player will play a regular Blu Ray or a DVD, but it doesn't work in reverse. A DVD player won't play a Blu Ray or a 4K disc, so putting it on DVD works for everyone, except those who haven't upgraded from VHS. :)

ALSO... and this is a big question for a global fan club, but aren't DVDs still region-coded? If you live in Asia vs. Europe isn't there still a question of Region 1 vs. Region 2, etc? Blu-rays are generally region-free. Are they really going to manufacture DVDs for different regions? The Fan Club has enough trouble getting stuff sent on time; I can't imagine the potential screw-ups that could come with manufacturing DVDs for different regions.

My big question is whether this concert will get a full commercial release. If so, I think I'd rather wait to buy it on Blu ray and not have the "exclusive 24-page booklet."
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: George on January 28, 2020, 07:44:55 PM
I feel the same way BUT I think DVD is the best way to spread the net wide. A 4K player will play a regular Blu Ray or a DVD, but it doesn't work in reverse. A DVD player won't play a Blu Ray or a 4K disc, so putting it on DVD works for everyone, except those who haven't upgraded from VHS. :)
The way around this is to offer the option of 1080 Blu Ray, DVD, or some lossy download.  4K is a nice idea, and even though it was filmed in 4K, I don't think not offering 4K is a big deal.  The choice of BR or DVD should be there.

ALSO... and this is a big question for a global fan club, but aren't DVDs still region-coded?
Many DVDs are region-free (region 0, I believe) just to avoid these problems.  I imagine that the product will be the same.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: sawheaton on January 28, 2020, 11:05:28 PM
ALSO... and this is a big question for a global fan club, but aren't DVDs still region-coded?
Many DVDs are region-free (region 0, I believe) just to avoid these problems.  I imagine that the product will be the same.
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They will still have to make at least two versions. PAL for Europe and NTSC for the USA and most other parts of the world.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: morgan1098 on January 29, 2020, 12:07:40 PM
ALSO... and this is a big question for a global fan club, but aren't DVDs still region-coded?
Many DVDs are region-free (region 0, I believe) just to avoid these problems.  I imagine that the product will be the same.
They will still have to make at least two versions. PAL for Europe and NTSC for the USA and most other parts of the world.
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Right! There's certainly never been a gift like this before that would possibly require different versions for different countries.

As this article notes, the only way around the PAL/NTSC issue is if you have a very new (2019 or later) TV that no longer uses analog inputs. But if you have one of those, will you still be using a DVD player?
https://www.howtogeek.com/428987/whats-the-difference-between-ntsc-and-pal/

I don't mean to complain too much. I'm glad we're getting a full show and I'm glad I have the ability to play a DVD. I am curious about how the PAL/NTSC issue might play out though. It's uncharted territory for the Fan Club.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: Aaron on January 30, 2020, 08:45:00 AM
A couple of things to consider...

Commercial release these days does not necessarily mean Bluray / Disc.  They could be planning a commercial release that would be purely digital even for the 4K, or even through a commercial streaming service like Netflix. In which case a DVD from the fan club might be the only physical version. I'll take any physical version over none. I like the booklets, and the photos and the credits.

And I was told plans for commercial release would be announced in March (if it was going to happen.) That was before this fan club disc was announced. But the fan club announcement says they will be letting us know about dispatch in February. That suggests to me that these fan club gifts would be well ahead of any commercial release anyway.

https://twitter.com/markpeterboro/status/1222463197560672256

If you look at the poll above, done in response to the gift, 18% of respondents said they have a DVD player only, 49% said they have DVD and bluray, 15% said they can play DVD, bluray and 4K, and 18% said they can't play any sort of disc on their main television. That means that almost 18% are never going to get any use out of this gift.  There's sure to be lots of copies around on auction at that rate. But if you sent it out on a quality other than DVD you'd double that and be sending 35% of the fan club a disc they cannot use. That's getting a little high. It's a small poll, but I'm sure there is information out there available to the band about sales, and formats, even from their own past sales.  One of the biggest complaints they would get each time they have done a vinyl gift is that about half the fan club cannot even play them as they don't own a functioning record player (about 90% can play a cd.) So had they done a 4K disc that only about 15% could play, they'd have a deluge of complaints...

I likely won't watch this one over and over again. I watched Paris maybe twice. But I do listen to the music from it all the time. At least DVD will give me a disc that is easy to rip.  I'm not heartbroken over this one...
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: morgan1098 on January 30, 2020, 11:47:23 AM
I have a new theory. IF it's true that the Fan Club will be announcing a release date in February and shipping maybe in March, that would be the fastest turnaround from gift announcement to shipping in Fan Club history. Like, by months and months.

My theory is that these DVDs have already been manufactured for a commercial release. At the last minute, they decided to hold them back and use them as fan club gifts instead. As others have said, the market for commercial DVDs and Blu-rays, especially for music, is shrinking. It would be very easy to print up some "outer sleeves" or slipcovers with unique Fan Club branding and the photo booklet. I wouldn't be surprised if these have "Fan Club" art on the outside but inside are shrink-wrapped DVDs that were originally intended for commercial release.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: George on January 30, 2020, 12:43:06 PM
Aaron, I agree with you mostly on this, except that instead of going for a one-size-fits-most model and going DVD only, they should be offering a choice between getting either a DVD, a regular Blu-Ray, a 4K Blu-Ray, or a download code.  The production cost would increase slightly, but there would be no grumbling about format whatsoever.  Well, except for those who must have each version and then "have to" subscribe multiple times, but I'd wager that's the 1%.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: Aaron on January 30, 2020, 01:50:31 PM
Aaron, I agree with you mostly on this, except that instead of going for a one-size-fits-most model and going DVD only, they should be offering a choice between getting either a DVD, a regular Blu-Ray, a 4K Blu-Ray, or a download code.  The production cost would increase slightly, but there would be no grumbling about format whatsoever.  Well, except for those who must have each version and then "have to" subscribe multiple times, but I'd wager that's the 1%.

I don't hold out hope that they'd be able to make that work. They struggle with the gifts in most cases. Getting out one version in a timely fashion seems to be a challenge, look at this years address mess up.  I'm not confident they'd manage something more complicated, although they did it with some success with the Slane T-shirts years back.

The fact that a beautiful 4K film is being shipped on DVD makes me (and others) think it's being released in other formats. That added to the rumour mill that said this was going to be released, with more news in March, makes me think it's a way to fill the gift quickly with something they have mastered, approved and ready, but may hope to maintain some income from whatever they might do with it in the future.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: morgan1098 on January 30, 2020, 06:24:27 PM
Aaron, I agree with you mostly on this, except that instead of going for a one-size-fits-most model and going DVD only, they should be offering a choice between getting either a DVD, a regular Blu-Ray, a 4K Blu-Ray, or a download code.  The production cost would increase slightly, but there would be no grumbling about format whatsoever.  Well, except for those who must have each version and then "have to" subscribe multiple times, but I'd wager that's the 1%.

I don't hold out hope that they'd be able to make that work. They struggle with the gifts in most cases. Getting out one version in a timely fashion seems to be a challenge, look at this years address mess up.  I'm not confident they'd manage something more complicated, although they did it with some success with the Slane T-shirts years back.

Still wondering how the PAL/NTSC formatting might figure into this. If the Fan Club has to be responsible for getting the right format to the right countries, I expect huge problems! While a Region 0 DVD will play on any player worldwide, the PAL/NTSC issue will still impact how it's displayed on a TV screen. I think?
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: George on January 31, 2020, 09:23:17 AM
Aaron, I agree with you mostly on this, except that instead of going for a one-size-fits-most model and going DVD only, they should be offering a choice between getting either a DVD, a regular Blu-Ray, a 4K Blu-Ray, or a download code.  The production cost would increase slightly, but there would be no grumbling about format whatsoever.  Well, except for those who must have each version and then "have to" subscribe multiple times, but I'd wager that's the 1%.

I don't hold out hope that they'd be able to make that work. They struggle with the gifts in most cases. Getting out one version in a timely fashion seems to be a challenge, look at this years address mess up.  I'm not confident they'd manage something more complicated, although they did it with some success with the Slane T-shirts years back.

The fact that a beautiful 4K film is being shipped on DVD makes me (and others) think it's being released in other formats. That added to the rumour mill that said this was going to be released, with more news in March, makes me think it's a way to fill the gift quickly with something they have mastered, approved and ready, but may hope to maintain some income from whatever they might do with it in the future.

100% in agreement.  I don't think that they will end up offering a choice, but doing so would have made a lot of people happy.

I forgot all about those shirts.  Did we choose a size, was that it?
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: God, Part II on January 31, 2020, 12:41:55 PM

The fact that a beautiful 4K film is being shipped on DVD makes me (and others) think it's being released in other formats.

And it's for this reason that I'm going to wait to renew until much later in the year, even though it means I'll pay $50 to subscribe vs. $40 to renew. If I were to pay $40 for a lame DVD only to turn around a few months later and discover a Blu-ray or 4K UHD disc release of it, I'd be even more livid with this offering than I already am.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: morgan1098 on January 31, 2020, 05:15:42 PM

The fact that a beautiful 4K film is being shipped on DVD makes me (and others) think it's being released in other formats.

And it's for this reason that I'm going to wait to renew until much later in the year, even though it means I'll pay $50 to subscribe vs. $40 to renew. If I were to pay $40 for a lame DVD only to turn around a few months later and discover a Blu-ray or 4K UHD disc release of it, I'd be even more livid with this offering than I already am.

Pursuant to my theory above, I think this gift effectively puts a nail in the coffin for this being a physical release down the line. As Aaron said, they could still offer/sell it as a 4K streaming product, but I don't think they will release this in a physical format outside the fan club now.

We MIGHT still get the JT Tour as a wide physical release, but I'm not even sure that's a given at this point. A brief theatrical run and then streaming might be all they're hoping for. The market is shrinking, and outside of this forum I don't think music blu rays have the same "collectible" appeal that vinyl and yes, CDs still have among music fans of a certain age.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: Aaron on January 31, 2020, 07:02:22 PM
Aaron, I agree with you mostly on this, except that instead of going for a one-size-fits-most model and going DVD only, they should be offering a choice between getting either a DVD, a regular Blu-Ray, a 4K Blu-Ray, or a download code.  The production cost would increase slightly, but there would be no grumbling about format whatsoever.  Well, except for those who must have each version and then "have to" subscribe multiple times, but I'd wager that's the 1%.

I don't hold out hope that they'd be able to make that work. They struggle with the gifts in most cases. Getting out one version in a timely fashion seems to be a challenge, look at this years address mess up.  I'm not confident they'd manage something more complicated, although they did it with some success with the Slane T-shirts years back.

The fact that a beautiful 4K film is being shipped on DVD makes me (and others) think it's being released in other formats. That added to the rumour mill that said this was going to be released, with more news in March, makes me think it's a way to fill the gift quickly with something they have mastered, approved and ready, but may hope to maintain some income from whatever they might do with it in the future.

100% in agreement.  I don't think that they will end up offering a choice, but doing so would have made a lot of people happy.

I forgot all about those shirts.  Did we choose a size, was that it?

Size and a design. I got the one I asked for...in the right size. So they've shown they have some hope.  They also offer three packages each year...new gift, old gift and both gifts...
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: God, Part II on February 01, 2020, 01:20:04 PM
Pursuant to my theory above, I think this gift effectively puts a nail in the coffin for this being a physical release down the line. As Aaron said, they could still offer/sell it as a 4K streaming product, but I don't think they will release this in a physical format outside the fan club now.

We MIGHT still get the JT Tour as a wide physical release, but I'm not even sure that's a given at this point. A brief theatrical run and then streaming might be all they're hoping for. The market is shrinking, and outside of this forum I don't think music blu rays have the same "collectible" appeal that vinyl and yes, CDs still have among music fans of a certain age.

The good news is that I have the better part of a year to wait it out and see if youíre wrong before I cave, if youíre not.
Title: Re: 2019 Subscription: INNOCENCE + EXPERIENCE LIVE, 2015 & 2018
Post by: morgan1098 on February 28, 2020, 06:54:56 PM
I got an email today from U2.com reminding me that "you only have one day left to resubscribe!" so I took the bait. They said they'd release shipping dates/info in February in the original announcement; they have until end of day tomorrow to make good on that! :)